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	<title>Comments on: The problem with instantaneous time travel &#8211; relative versus absolute paths</title>
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		<title>By: Sol Young</title>
		<link>http://solyoung.com/2008/05/20/the-problem-with-instantaneous-time-travel-relative-versus-absolute-paths/comment-page-1/#comment-2843</link>
		<dc:creator>Sol Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big bang would have occurred at a specific point (or multiple points, if you subscribe to multiple bangs), and matter would travel outward from that point. It would have an origin that is absolute, but every other point would be relative based on an origin.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We don&#039;t know precisely, but we can make estimates based on the expansion and shifts in the universe. This isn&#039;t necessary however, since we can still make calculations based on our movement over time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another interesting thing is that atoms may also be expanding. Not only could someone end up in the wrong place, but they may also be larger or smaller (assuming the atoms didn&#039;t resize based on the time/location).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big bang would have occurred at a specific point (or multiple points, if you subscribe to multiple bangs), and matter would travel outward from that point. It would have an origin that is absolute, but every other point would be relative based on an origin.</p>
<p>We don&#39;t know precisely, but we can make estimates based on the expansion and shifts in the universe. This isn&#39;t necessary however, since we can still make calculations based on our movement over time.</p>
<p>Another interesting thing is that atoms may also be expanding. Not only could someone end up in the wrong place, but they may also be larger or smaller (assuming the atoms didn&#39;t resize based on the time/location).</p>
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		<title>By: Sol Young</title>
		<link>http://solyoung.com/2008/05/20/the-problem-with-instantaneous-time-travel-relative-versus-absolute-paths/comment-page-1/#comment-2738</link>
		<dc:creator>Sol Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big bang would have occurred at a specific point (or multiple points, if you subscribe to multiple bangs), and matter would travel outward from that point. It would have an origin that is absolute, but every other point would be relative based on an origin.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We don&#039;t know precisely, but we can make estimates based on the expansion and shifts in the universe. This isn&#039;t necessary however, since we can still make calculations based on our movement over time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another interesting thing is that atoms may also be expanding. Not only could someone end up in the wrong place, but they may also be larger or smaller (assuming the atoms didn&#039;t resize based on the time/location).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big bang would have occurred at a specific point (or multiple points, if you subscribe to multiple bangs), and matter would travel outward from that point. It would have an origin that is absolute, but every other point would be relative based on an origin.</p>
<p>We don&#39;t know precisely, but we can make estimates based on the expansion and shifts in the universe. This isn&#39;t necessary however, since we can still make calculations based on our movement over time.</p>
<p>Another interesting thing is that atoms may also be expanding. Not only could someone end up in the wrong place, but they may also be larger or smaller (assuming the atoms didn&#39;t resize based on the time/location).</p>
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		<title>By: Meg Steele</title>
		<link>http://solyoung.com/2008/05/20/the-problem-with-instantaneous-time-travel-relative-versus-absolute-paths/comment-page-1/#comment-2737</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; &quot;That’s only relative to the earth - The earth is moving through space relative to the Big Bang’s origin at 1,342,000 miles per hour. A jump in time of only a single second, with a constant absolute spacial path, puts you off course by 372.8 miles (probably miles above or below the earths surface in the process).&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be nice if you could elaborate on this. I thought the big bang occured everywhere and space expanded? How could it have an origin point relative to us? Do you mean the natural vector our matter just happened to get pulled and tossed because of other matter around it at the beginning of the universe, compounded over time? Stars move, clusters and galaxies move, galaxy clusters and superclusters move. But if even IF the big bang had an origin point relative to us (assuming it doesn&#039;t wrap at the edges) that could be pinpointed, we have no idea where it is, or even if it&#039;s in our current cosmic horizon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; &#8220;That’s only relative to the earth &#8211; The earth is moving through space relative to the Big Bang’s origin at 1,342,000 miles per hour. A jump in time of only a single second, with a constant absolute spacial path, puts you off course by 372.8 miles (probably miles above or below the earths surface in the process).&#8221;</p>
<p>It would be nice if you could elaborate on this. I thought the big bang occured everywhere and space expanded? How could it have an origin point relative to us? Do you mean the natural vector our matter just happened to get pulled and tossed because of other matter around it at the beginning of the universe, compounded over time? Stars move, clusters and galaxies move, galaxy clusters and superclusters move. But if even IF the big bang had an origin point relative to us (assuming it doesn&#39;t wrap at the edges) that could be pinpointed, we have no idea where it is, or even if it&#39;s in our current cosmic horizon.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg Steele</title>
		<link>http://solyoung.com/2008/05/20/the-problem-with-instantaneous-time-travel-relative-versus-absolute-paths/comment-page-1/#comment-2736</link>
		<dc:creator>Meg Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jun 2009 03:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt; &quot;That’s only relative to the earth - The earth is moving through space relative to the Big Bang’s origin at 1,342,000 miles per hour. A jump in time of only a single second, with a constant absolute spacial path, puts you off course by 372.8 miles (probably miles above or below the earths surface in the process).&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It would be nice if you could elaborate on this. I thought the big bang occured everywhere and space expanded? How could it have an origin point relative to us? Do you mean the natural vector our matter just happened to get pulled and tossed because of other matter around it at the beginning of the universe, compounded over time? Stars move, clusters and galaxies move, galaxy clusters and superclusters move. But if even IF the big bang had an origin point relative to us (assuming it doesn&#039;t wrap at the edges) that could be pinpointed, we have no idea where it is, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt; &#8220;That’s only relative to the earth &#8211; The earth is moving through space relative to the Big Bang’s origin at 1,342,000 miles per hour. A jump in time of only a single second, with a constant absolute spacial path, puts you off course by 372.8 miles (probably miles above or below the earths surface in the process).&#8221;</p>
<p>It would be nice if you could elaborate on this. I thought the big bang occured everywhere and space expanded? How could it have an origin point relative to us? Do you mean the natural vector our matter just happened to get pulled and tossed because of other matter around it at the beginning of the universe, compounded over time? Stars move, clusters and galaxies move, galaxy clusters and superclusters move. But if even IF the big bang had an origin point relative to us (assuming it doesn&#39;t wrap at the edges) that could be pinpointed, we have no idea where it is, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Sol Young</title>
		<link>http://solyoung.com/2008/05/20/the-problem-with-instantaneous-time-travel-relative-versus-absolute-paths/comment-page-1/#comment-2557</link>
		<dc:creator>Sol Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 21:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instantaneous time travel is probable, given a technological achievement beyond the capability of any species within our universe (using the big bang as the starting point, it&#039;s probable that no species has acquired enough knowledge to attain this technological achievement). Of course, this requires acceptance that we&#039;re at the most future possible point in time and that future events can not happen ahead of our present time (yet).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you accept that we&#039;re on the edge of the future and no events have happened beyond our present moment, the answer to &quot;why hasn&#039;t anyone seen a time traveler?&quot; is simple: Humans, even other species, haven&#039;t invented it yet.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you believe future events have already taken place and time travel has already been invented in the future, the answer is also simple (albeit frightening): The human species won&#039;t survive to experience time travel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instantaneous time travel is probable, given a technological achievement beyond the capability of any species within our universe (using the big bang as the starting point, it&#39;s probable that no species has acquired enough knowledge to attain this technological achievement). Of course, this requires acceptance that we&#39;re at the most future possible point in time and that future events can not happen ahead of our present time (yet).</p>
<p>If you accept that we&#39;re on the edge of the future and no events have happened beyond our present moment, the answer to &#8220;why hasn&#39;t anyone seen a time traveler?&#8221; is simple: Humans, even other species, haven&#39;t invented it yet.</p>
<p>If you believe future events have already taken place and time travel has already been invented in the future, the answer is also simple (albeit frightening): The human species won&#39;t survive to experience time travel.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kuck</title>
		<link>http://solyoung.com/2008/05/20/the-problem-with-instantaneous-time-travel-relative-versus-absolute-paths/comment-page-1/#comment-2556</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Kuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:02:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve outlined the difficulties very well.  Instantaneous time travel is just a Bad Idea, because so many factors increase your chances of error unacceptably.  If time travel can happen, it will have to involve time dilation, as you mentioned.  Which is the reason most people give for having never seen a time traveller.  (Which is of course, a pointless answer, because someone who asks &quot;If time travel was possible, why haven&#039;t we ever seen a time traveller?&quot; is really just looking for a convenient way to end the conversation.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;ve outlined the difficulties very well.  Instantaneous time travel is just a Bad Idea, because so many factors increase your chances of error unacceptably.  If time travel can happen, it will have to involve time dilation, as you mentioned.  Which is the reason most people give for having never seen a time traveller.  (Which is of course, a pointless answer, because someone who asks &#8220;If time travel was possible, why haven&#39;t we ever seen a time traveller?&#8221; is really just looking for a convenient way to end the conversation.)</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Stephenson</title>
		<link>http://solyoung.com/2008/05/20/the-problem-with-instantaneous-time-travel-relative-versus-absolute-paths/comment-page-1/#comment-2555</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Stephenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 07:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking about another factor.  The Earth&#039;s orbit around the Sun is not a perfect circle, it&#039;s elliptical.   As I remember from my astrodynamics class, a body in orbit will sweep the same area in the same amount of time, which means in order to do that, the object must accelerate and decelerate during it&#039;s orbit.   What&#039;s this mean?   Well, lets say you&#039;re flying along in your fancy C-210 time machine going 150kts, and you decide to visit a specific date 1000 years in the future, assuming you factored in everything above and didn&#039;t time travel into space, you will now be subject to the difference between relative speed of the Earth&#039;s motion now and 1000 years from now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you leave Earth at it&#039;s fastest orbital speed (rounded down to 58315kts), and appeared in future Earth at it&#039;s slowest orbital speed (rounded down to 56,935kts), your new airspeed will be 1380kts... right before the plane rips apart and you wish you made a parachute from an old sheet.  Reversing that scenario, you would be flying backwards at that speed... err, I mean breaking up at that speed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You mentioned teleportation, in theory it&#039;s possible with quantum entanglement, but that&#039;s only in the current space-time.  The problem it brings up is even if you could make the second quantum state go through time, how do you know where to place your next quantum state without going there first?   You would risk *teletimetravelporting* into a kite some jerk is flying, last time I checked, a kite wasn&#039;t healthy to embed in your spine.   So, the point of that is you would definitely want to time travel in space where your chances of embedding matter into yourself are far less, which means you need a spacecraft... and even then, there&#039;s no guarantee that you will not embed yourself into a defunct Filipino satellite (yes, in 1000 years they may have a space program).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking about another factor.  The Earth&#39;s orbit around the Sun is not a perfect circle, it&#39;s elliptical.   As I remember from my astrodynamics class, a body in orbit will sweep the same area in the same amount of time, which means in order to do that, the object must accelerate and decelerate during it&#39;s orbit.   What&#39;s this mean?   Well, lets say you&#39;re flying along in your fancy C-210 time machine going 150kts, and you decide to visit a specific date 1000 years in the future, assuming you factored in everything above and didn&#39;t time travel into space, you will now be subject to the difference between relative speed of the Earth&#39;s motion now and 1000 years from now.</p>
<p>If you leave Earth at it&#39;s fastest orbital speed (rounded down to 58315kts), and appeared in future Earth at it&#39;s slowest orbital speed (rounded down to 56,935kts), your new airspeed will be 1380kts&#8230; right before the plane rips apart and you wish you made a parachute from an old sheet.  Reversing that scenario, you would be flying backwards at that speed&#8230; err, I mean breaking up at that speed.</p>
<p>You mentioned teleportation, in theory it&#39;s possible with quantum entanglement, but that&#39;s only in the current space-time.  The problem it brings up is even if you could make the second quantum state go through time, how do you know where to place your next quantum state without going there first?   You would risk *teletimetravelporting* into a kite some jerk is flying, last time I checked, a kite wasn&#39;t healthy to embed in your spine.   So, the point of that is you would definitely want to time travel in space where your chances of embedding matter into yourself are far less, which means you need a spacecraft&#8230; and even then, there&#39;s no guarantee that you will not embed yourself into a defunct Filipino satellite (yes, in 1000 years they may have a space program).</p>
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